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What are the chances of this guy not folding now if you shove all in while hoping your top 2 pair holds on the river? Should have bet more on the flop to scare the villain out of the pot and saved yourself the aggravation! So if many hands end up being all in, then what do you do? Fold hands unless they are the top tier of hands pre flop. You want to raise these hands because these are good hands to try and get the money in with at the table pre flop. There is practically never anyone folding to raises, so never ever bluff without a super good read on your opponent.
The winner of this game is the one with the most patience to wait for bomb hands and get it all in good and hope for the best. As you get closer to being on the button you have the dealer chip , you can consider raising weaker pocket hands if the people ahead of you have all checked. Remember raise big. Think of it this way… If the people in early position had a good hand they most likely would have raised it up to both build a pot and protect their hand.
If you have K-K, you want to chase out the people that would call with or , etc. But you have to raise it many big blinds. Position can play a huge part in hands. This is one tenet of real poker that can still translate over to Zynga play money poker relatively intact without much tweaking. Realize that if you act last in a hand, you are at a huge advantage. You get to see what the other players are doing with their bets which can reveal a lot about their hand strength, then you get to choose what to do.
In other words I think 9 times out of ten if someone has pocket aces, they will raise big rather than just check raising. Although to go off on a bit of a strategy tangent here, I think from experience that if I was in early position with pocket aces, it would be better to check knowing that someone is most likely going to raise behind you. Careful raising in the blinds because you will be first to act the next street.
Just be aware that the smarter players out there will know another smart player when they encounter one, and they will know that you know that their betting actions are supposed to dictate their hand strength, but of course because they know this, they can and will intentionally do the opposite of what you expect them to do so they can trap you down the line. It gets tricky. Just understand you need to be aware of possibilities like this, but always first and foremost pay consider your hand strength vs.
Then you can start attempting to discern mind games or play them yourself. The money will indeed come slower, but over the long term, your win rate will be much more steady and you will have less swings to your bank roll. I would rather see someone risk some real money and start playing micro stakes games online or spend time reading strategy books to at least learn something worthwhile and possibly be on the road to making real riches. I think your strategy is flawed and is more of a real money strategy.
I agree with your basic premise that Zynga or any play money site will be made up of horrible players, most of who want action action action and will usually call any amount with any hand. So now you,ve waited an hour and finally you got your monster pocket pair say KK for example. I think it is a much better strategy to see a lot of cheap flops with marginal hands and hope to flop a monster.
If you flop two pair or better or have a monster draw you bet, otherwise check or fold. Of course if there is a raise preflop you want a real hand, and if you are at a table of crazies that go all in every hand preflop then I suggest you move to a new table. Well yes I would hope people are checking pre flop with marginal hands and not outright folding. Now the problem is on the flop, someone could have made two pair with J3, so now how do you know who is really telling the truth if they make a large bet on a crappy flop?
Yes the exact same thing has happened to me multiple times 1 was on a 15 million dollar pot where I could tell I want but I was studying the screen goes blank and I was never able to get back to the table in my chips did not get credited.
Happen to me to. Its one of the way they use in this fraud game to prevent you to win. First let me say that my intention is to just have a healthy debate on poker strategy and not to put down your ideas which have many merits. As far as checking pre-flop only the big blind is able to do that, everybody else has to call and it has been my experience that most time you will have 4 or more players in any given pot.
Most want to see the flop. I find it the rare occurrence I can push Zynga players off a hand pre-flop, or at anytime for that matter. I am not comfortable putting a large part of my stack at risk with just one pair.
Hence my strategy of limping pre-flop when I can, especially when there are multiple players in the pot. Now am I going to limp with pocket As? I think if you are at an aggressive table you need to play conservative and at a conservative table you need to be aggressive. Your approach would be far better against loose aggressive players constantly raising and reraising every hand where mine works better against more loose passive calling station players.
I have found the latter to be the majority on Zynga though you will find enough aggressive players as well to make your approach valid. Ideally I think the Sit and Gos are the easiest of them all to beat — typically 3 or 4 knuckleheads will eliminate each other with crazy bets and calls within the first few hands and then regular poker strategies become a lot more effective at a 4 or 5 handed table. I have been frustrated in feeling I have been beaten by lesser hands..
I have begun to feel the game pays on the flop and your hand versus later and your hand. Could this be true? Three of a kind beating full house.. Zynga poker is def not like real life poker in any shape or form. Seeing what complete junk people go all in pre-flop on Zynga poker is just comical.
Also people go all in after the river card is layed down with a high card of 5 or even lower. Lastly the strategy that works for me is playing several tables in a tournament and if I have a losing streak I give up and play later on that day. So incredibly frustrating!
Just against my nature to go all in…ever! But it works for novice players I guess.. Having fun with it though. So much of the above sounds like thoughtful poker analysis, but it so fundamentally misses some key points. How and why would they do such a thing?
Zynga wants you playing, they have no stake in winners and losers, right? Stop yapping and get a math-based poker book. Hopefully this has evolved into a discussion by seasoned players who are familiar with basic strategies and terms used in most poker instructional books. If you have not yet studied the game enough and are unfamiliar with terms like loose aggressive, sets, or implied odds then you are likely to disagree with much of what I have to say.
If you are familiar with such strategies and approaches you may still disagree but we can at least have an informed dialogue based on the principles taught by Sklansky, Harrington or Brunson if you are not familiar with these names check out some of their books, they will improve your game immensely. Online money sites like Poker Stars and Full Tilt were full of loose passive players and so are the casinos.
At least that is my experience though I freely admit that I have mostly pllayed at the lowest limits at the casino no limit and fairly low stakes online 5 and 10 dollar sit n gos mostly. I have also found that on Zynga sit n gos as you move up in buy in the play improves dramatically, currently I am playing 50k and k buy-ins for the most part my bank roll is about 3. Still a lot of players that want to limp every hand to see a flop but not the crazy pre flop big bets, at least not nearly as much.
I know it sucks when you are holding trips and someone catches that river card to make his flush and you lose a big pot but it happens. Sometimes it happens over and over and over and it gets frustrating and you think this game has to be fixed but believe me it happens to everyone.
First ask yourself are you putting yourself in too many situations where you set yourself up to get beat by a loose reckless player. Lets say you get pocket threes, really not a great hand, I would try to limp in to catch a set, but if you call a big raise with a hand like this, in my opinion it is a mistake. But lets say you have pocket threes, you limp in.
Actually you made the wrong play and just got very lucky the odds were about 8 to 1 on you hitting your set ……. So what happened? Well first you should have never been in that hand to begin with, once it was raised you should fold that marginal pair of threes and live to fight another day. Also when you had trips and went all in, thats not a bad play, in most cases you will have the best hand and you want someone to call to make a big score.
But with a flush and straight draw your opponent has 15 outs and is correct to call, and actually is the slight favorite to win. Every upgrade deals with new graphics, new achievements, new avatars or little pictures of stuff you can send to friends and all sorts of other goofy stuff that has nothing to do with poker.
I ignore all this on Zynga but some seem to enjoy that aspect of it. I do find Zynga to be a fair learning tool for dealing with a certain style of player and helps you develop patience and discipline. Granted if they ever open back up the money online sites to US players Zynga will never hear from me again, but until then hope to see you at the table, and enjoy that picture of a taco I send you. IMO Zynga is shortening the odds big-time. The odds of getting a full house are to 1 so the next time you play Zynga count the hands until someone gets a full house and then count again for the next one.
I only play Zynga tournaments normally k games but I see a full house winning hand every 25 hands or so on average.
Most of my chips are gifts from poker buddies. And also from the free daily slot spins. I personally have played hands and have not had nor seen a royal flush yet, not that that proves anything. Again I have to return to the fundamental question what does Zynga have to gain by shorting the odds? They have no stake in any group of players prevailing over another so I see no logic in your claim.
I would assume you are avoiding potential bad beats like the plaque since they are preordained to go against you. With this competitive edge you must be killing Zynga poker so why the complaints? Smoking based on your posts your seem to have a fundamental grasp on poker strategies and odds. So use Zynga to improve your skills against the loose passive player. There is no point raging against the machine. But indulge me.
Turn and river give the lucky idiot a full house. Who stays in? Who plays Zynga? Of course it sometimes happens, but with such frequency? Such apparent pre-calculated malice? But it does leave you scratching your head, right? They make MILLIONS of dollars because foks do buy the chips — I for one have spent hundreds of dollars on chips knowing full well that I am going to lose them — and I play both conservatively and aggressively.
I have over hands played, 1 royal flush and 1 str8 flush…Definitely a stacked game… like all the others Zynga have to offer…just saying and keeping it real. The people who talk about odds shortening and all that other vaguely suspicious activity are bang on. I appreciate that this is not a truly representative sample; game theory, Bayes theorem etc.
But it does say something when I see 2 straight flushes in these c. Not totally unlikely, but to QQx on the flop, and then K and K on the turn and river?
That hand actually happened. Of course, convenience plays a part, do you think Zynga care about your Poker Stars or your Full Tilters? Hell no. The underpants gnomes would be proud. I have hands played, have only seen 1 royal and 1 str8 F. I have played on Poker Stars, Full Tilt.
And guess what? There were people bitching on everyone of those sites saying the game was fixed. Guess what else, they were all losers. And guess what else? They all kept right on playing. Losing and complaining to anyone who would listen. I suppose it was more akin to flogging a dead horse…. It was, in a way, an attempt to advise people not to play Zynga if they want to play REAL poker for fun.
Test the water, if you dare, and it may be warm, for a while. I started playing Zynga poker about 2 months ago with the starting amt forgot what it is, but maybe a couple thousand chips? I normally play at the 2 million max — cash game. The one exception, I normally fold hands like K4 off even to a limped pot preflop.
These are holdings that can get you in big trouble. You win this game on your monsters. Slow play the heck of out them when you have the nuts and the calls will come in. You can usually double up on your monsters. Yes, you will get drawn out on or will lose to a bigger monster, but that is just poker.
You take the good with the bad. You will only remember this hand and you will forget the other 10 times you actually did the wise thing and folded and saved a ton of chips learn pot odds and how to count outs. Many times I have folded and hit two pair and kicked myself only to see someone turn a flush that might have stacked me off.
The best tables to be at are those with limpers preflop with some that shove or way overbet the pot post flop. These are the ones that are given just enough rope to hang themselves with. The worst tables to sit at are those with all in junkies preflop.
This turns it into a coin flip and I usually ride out the storm and let others take this person down. You will notice these types never have much in their chip holdings anyway. The strategy is too volatile. Always click on a new player and check their chip holdings.
I find this is a good gauge of how someone plays. If the buy in is 2 million and they have K in their holdings, they are just there to go all in and try to double up and will play reckless. Good for you if you can out flop them, but bad if they shove preflop as you are at the whim of a flip. It does suck to have them pull a big hand the one time you think you have them. Fight the urge to get emotional at the table. Alot of 18 year olds will laugh at you or call you a donk because they sucked out on the river even though you got it in with the best of it.
I played a guy who was drunk who said he will tell everyone his hole cards and still win. He walked out with about 3x his buyin from sheer luck.
Beware of the min reraise of your bet. This is also true in normal poker. Say the flop comes AAJ and you hold a J on the button. A guy immediately raises you to or This will work until the table starts changing members and the maniacs show up. As mentioned in some of the posts, this is not how real poker for money is played. Oh, just wanted to add to the discussion earlier. It seems to me that there are more paired flops in Zynga poker than in real cards.
It feels to me almost the same as real poker as far as final holdings. However, even if Zynga does upgrade the hands, the playing field is on even ground since it would affect everyone. I do notice some glitches from time to time. Happens maybe hands. Also, the all-in glitch is very annoying. If you have played Zynga Poker for any length of time there is an exploit where you can go all in without committing any chips. If you do wind up winning, you will only win what is in the pot when you went all in.
Any new chips added after go to the next best hand. This is used alot by players with marginal hands that are afraid to commit. I really hate when a player uses this exploit.
It ruins the game. If they abuse it too much I will say something or move to another table. My faulty new iphone was replaced after only having it for 2 months. Maybe I am lucky, a liar or simply just lost the pot! I have slowed my play down considerably since reading this thread and have done much better of late. I still find zynga poker incredibly frustrating at times tho. There does seem to be patterns of play I have noticed as well.
When my hold cards are suited, i. I have not won on hold pairs for ages, even top pairs AA, KK etc. I am now trying to limp in with suited mid range cards 67, 89, as they seem to produce better hands. I only do this very occasionally depending on how the tables is playing. My funniest hand I played was going All-In on Pre flop pocket aces only for the person who called me also had pocket aces classic. If their rank is 50m and they only have 2m in chips, this is where the chips are to be won.
If a guy has a rank of 1m and he has 4m in chips be aware. Thankfully most players are bad and their chip counts are much lower than their ranks. I advocate the patience approach. Limp suited connectors 2. Join any game with the max amount allowed. If you do go all in before the river and a fish with a small stack sucks out on you, you may have a winner against bigger stacks which offsets the smaller loss. You want to have enough chips to cover this.
Assuming you follow 2, when playing AA KK QQ pre flop a huge amount, enough to isolate one, maybe two callers at the most.
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